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Jessica
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:31:49
Hi everyone, hi Lille, Hi Neska, and Mr/Ms Taken for a ride,
I read your discussion and to be honest. It really scares me. I was going to study Management in London at the ESE this coming January, but all these internet sources are making me very insecure, whether this is a good decision.
I have to pay half the tuition Dec 1! From what I've been hearing the ESE seems to be a terrible school, or at least no one can prove all these accusations false.
If I were to do my Master's at the ESE, what would the consequences be? Would I be able to do a PhD somewhere else?
Are the academics there any good? Will I be connected with a school in the middle of fraud scandals?
I don't really know what to do, because I already accepted the place and don't have alternatives at the moment. Do you think it would be smarter to wait half a year and apply to a different school in september?
Jessica
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 10:30:45
hello ,
i'm an ex ese-student. i "graduated" in 2001 in international business. After 6 years i'm still not able to speak in a good or in a bad manner about Ese. For srre it has been much more simple to study ther than in a statal one. The problem was that you felt like you were involved in something much more deeper than you limited-common understanding and so from time to time every kind of fear and disorganization could arise in youre studying-routine and in your mental development. It is like if Ese was a place out of time and low, it was just as a dream or a nightmare often. But all is good. Afterall it has been my university during my youth age!
"trust in U"
love to all of you
young students
toni mischitelli
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 14:20:55
Jessica, honestly I don't know what to suggest you at the moment. I am a little bit confused too.
Toni can you please explain better what you mean by saying it was a dream and a nightmare at the same time? Are currently working in the field you wanted to at the beginning of your ese studies? In a nutshell, are you doing now the job you dreamed of at that time? and What about Advantages and bad things?
thanks
Lilie
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nariza
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 13:51:23
I am having the same problem finding information about ESE. There is not much online aside from their website. Does anyone know about the campus in New York? Can I also get the e-mail from the person who has the details on the fraud charges?
Is there anyone who went there who has details on the quality of the internship and career placement opportunities. I am concerned about the fact that there is no data available regarding placement after graduation.
thanks
nariza
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 27 Nov 2007 14:41:23
Hi - I'm looking to study for an MBA in New York - does anyone have any advice / thoughts? Is it ok? Thanks
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2007 04:53:37
Hey Jessica,,, and everybody
I got the same problem as you. I ve been accepted and I think I will pay half of the tution fees, and I will make my own opinion about ESE once I m there.
But I l porbably change school after one year if I m not convinced.
But honestly I m scared 2 wether it is a good decision or not.
But at the moment I think I will be able to improve my english, to gain new living experiences and to be able to live in New York which is an amazing opportunity.
Hey Nariza, so I begin my studies in January at the New York campus. If , when are ypu going to begin you studies?
And I m also scared about what Tony said. Is there something wrong or strange going on? PLease tell us!!
thanks
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Carrie83
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 07:49:52
Hey Everybody.....I do have the exact same problems as everyone else concerning ESE. I wanted to do my MBA in New York City and already went to Milan to take a look at their Campus and talked to the President of the school. Honestly, I wasn't very impressed and now that I am thinking about it, I didn't see any students and the equipment was rather rare. Nothing compared to the internet page or the brochure they send me. I started further research after my visit and what I found was scary and made me also sad becasue this was my option after finishing my BA. Now I feel lost. The schol's accreditation seems from somewhere which doesn't really exist. The MBA title from this school is not very known because noone seems to know the school not even in New York City, where I wanted to apply for. The most scariest was an entry I read on a different side which is FANTASTIC and you all should check it out if you are curious about a great MBA program www.findMBA.com. Well, anyway what I read was from someone who seemt to have been there and he/she said that "run like the wind, the school is a TOTAL FRAUD and if it sounds as if I am talking from experience than your inner alarm sounds just right".......Well I don't know but all this seems like a bad sign and I don't think one should START with something that has such a doubtful beginning.....whaT DO YOU GUYS THINK ?
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2007 18:31:29
hey guys
well I ve changed my mind. I did not accept the place, and I m happy about my decision.
I mean if wer decide to invest so much money in our future, we should absolutely be sure it is a good school.
But as it seems it is not a good one.
There are problems with the accredition, the school is not at all well known.
People working there are unfriendly, there are no students!!
ANd it seems that there is something strange going on.
Hope your going to make the right decision...
good luck
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n
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 13:37:51
does anyone have a link on where to find out about the fraud charges? italian or english, i found something in italian that looks like charges but I'm not sure. I'm planning on going there in January and starting my undergraduate degree in international business but i'm rather skeptical now... has anyone been there and completed a degree? I haven't really spoken to anyone who has. When i visited the campus in Rome I didn't meet any students, though the staff were friendly, but didn't seem organized. I'm really worried about it, so any help would be good!
N
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2007 14:26:57
OH MY GOD ....look what I have just found.....CHECK THIS OUT
http://www.citenna.org/2006/11-3/Ese-European-School-Of-Economics-Is-A -Big-Fraud-.html
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 05:59:59
but that's old maybe it's ok now...
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Carrie83
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 07:27:39
yeah sure.....no matter if it's old or not this kind of stuff shouldn't refer to A UNIVERSITY AT ALL at least not a well-know, accredited university who wants to have a good reputation, not in the PAST, PRESENT or FUTURE !!!!
but believe and do what you want.
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n
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 04:40:28
true but a lot of universities start out badly....
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 09:47:54
but not that bad, take a look at the history of stern or columbia.....not comparable at all plus it is not that they don't have any studnets or anything they are CHEATING this is not just bad but criminal !!!!!
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Bobster
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# Posted: 17 Jan 2008 11:02:29
The UK and Italian campuses of ESE have severe financial difficulties. The accounts for the company can be downloaded for a couple of UK pounds at http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk//index.shtml
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happyhappy
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# Posted: 18 Jan 2008 10:43:27
Hi everybody!
i am studying at the european school of economics at nyc campus.... please don´t pay and don´t enroll with them.... it a horrible experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the don´t have any contact for the intership, the lecteurs are not experienced, not serious... they just want you to pay and when you try to protest for the bad things they just don´t pay you attention.
the title in not recogniced... they have good sales people and good marketing campaigns to promote the school.
i had to look for my own internship by sending resumes by myself!!!! horrible
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sweethome
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# Posted: 18 Jan 2008 10:53:55
hi guys!!!
I agree the european school of economics, new york city campus is an amazing fraud!!!! they just have fake promises, but no good programs or quality... and the end you have the feeling for not having learnt anything!!! My advice... look for another place!
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ESEstudent
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# Posted: 21 Jan 2008 18:54:37
HAPPY HAPPY
Hi,
I am studying at ESE too, in the milan campus.. I was planning to move to NYC starting from the next year.
Could you please give more infos about it ?
Why the campus there is so bad ? what's wrong ?
I would really apprecciate a deeper explenation,
as you can imagine, the change wont be so easy and cheap.. better know before what I am running to !!
thanks
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Luke
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# Posted: 26 Jan 2008 12:56:39
Ese?
Please, make a different choice. Ese seems great from brochures, websites etc etc.
BUT
It is a school built by a strange Italian family, that operates different businesses. Just to let you understand: The President and the Deans are brothers. There is no faculty. All the teachers teach on contact agreements and not on academic selections. No faculties at all. Moreover, the school since its opening has always had problems with italian laws: bankrupt, name changings, campus locations changes due to the non payment of le loans, titles that are non valid according the italian law etc etc. These are just small exemples of what you will meet.
Please, if you want excellent italian private universities go to:
Bocconi for econmics;
Iulm for communication;
Luiss for political studies.
These are true universities, with true campuses, excellent teachers and true students!!!!
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MassLui
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# Posted: 13 Feb 2008 14:32:29
European School of Economics well this is what my friend who was an undegrad student there told me... they çancel classes last minute, they change their schedule all the time, they offer no refunds and they don't even tell you how much they charge per class, you just are told to pay, and my friend told me that most students end up finding their own internships. They are extremely disorganized. I heard the students are smarter than the staff. Lot of smart multilingual students, but apparently many complain about the school. They arrive at the school and then they discover, the courses they are interested in are no longer there. I heard some of the staff members are nice and helpful, they do what they can, but the school in the end just seems like a business, it doesn't respect the students. I advise you not to go there!
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Luigi
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# Posted: 17 Feb 2008 13:06:03
Dear Lydia
You should be honest with yourself and with the readers and explain that after enrolling at ESE, you have never started attending the MBA program - although it was and is being offered in the evenings - only for your personal problems!!
Next time before applying to any program, make sure that you are committed enough ....at least to start it!!!
No college in the world will refund you the money if you keep postponing the starting of your program or withdraw from the selected course of studies ....FOR PERSONAL REASONS ONLY. Go and check...
"If you don't want to be taken to court" for calumny and defamation, please take good note that the ESE is a College of Higher Education, listed body of the UK Department of Education and Skills, providing courses leading to the Degrees of the University of Buckingham.
If I may, Lydia, your problem seems to be that you are totally unfit to assume responsibility for your actions.....
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sabrina
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# Posted: 18 Feb 2008 13:53:46
Hi everybody
the ESE is a College of Higher Education providing courses leading to the degrees issued by the University of Buckingham. This means that if you successfully complete all the requirements, you get the degree of the University of Buckingham.
This is possible through the validation agreement which links the two institutions.
UK BA degrees are recognised worldwide by employers recruiting graduates.
The Faculty includes part-time business executives with teaching experience and full-time qualified professors with ph.d and prestigious academic credentials.
I really can't see the point, but your ignorance and bad faith. What's wrong if an organization is run by two brothers? RIDICULOUS!
The many foolish and deceitful things mostly written by anonymous writers make me firmly think that you are here on this forum
- either to attract potential ESE withdrawals or applicants in the schools/organizations where you have been working
- or trying to find someone/thing to blame for your unsuccessful and miserable lives.
In both cases you'd better find a good therapist.
Some of you keep writing about the bankruptcy that this organization had to face in 2001...reporting ONLY false statements and rumors.
The ESE operates in a strange country - Italy - where the Ministry of Education used to behave in contrast with the core principles of the EU Union.
Basically they didn't accept direct competition on their territory... and therefore tried to discredit the College by saying that the Institution was issuing fake degrees.
The ESE is recognised in UK by the Department of education and Skills as College providing courses leading to degrees. The degrees were issued those times - upon completion of all the requirements - by the Nottingham Trent University, through a validation agreement linking the two institutions.
How could they say that degrees were fake if they were issued by a UK recognised University? How could they consider fake the most recognised degrees in the world, i.e. UK Bachelors?
Well everything it's possible in Italy, if you have as antagonists the Opus Dei which controls the Italian NARIC and a former corrupted Minister who was trying to revamp his career by running a University.
In October 2001 a TV program conducted by the son-in-law of the above Minister spread the rumors that the ESE was issuing fake degrees and in a shot thousands and thousands students withdrew.
Do you still wonder why the organization went bankruptcy? why the institution couldn't honor ist debts and had to close several centers?
Imagine if something like this happens to your family or to your company!
Organizations decline, fail and die for much more less than what happened to ESE.
They are still alive because they have a mission and because they are RIGHT.
They have done something unprecedented in Italy...they brought a corrupted creek of politicians to the European Court in the name of the mutual recognition of diplomas and academic qualifications among the EU member states, which is now a binding principle for all member countries of the EU Union!
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Luke
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# Posted: 20 Feb 2008 08:57:55
Dear Sabrina,
I write anonimously as you do. In any case, during year 2000 I had fallen in love with ese. I even took part to an entry examination session. I really thought that the School was made for me. But the attitude of people working at the information office at the school seemed me too easy and arrogant:
- They clearly stated that degrees were recognised and, at the moment, they were not. Even you, in your post, says "are recognised worldwide by employers recruiting graduates". Well I kindly suggest you to take part to a public assignation of Jobs in Italian Institutions and you will see that this is not possible. So, be more precise when you give information;
- The employees told me that I could even make the official test to be part of the "Albo dei Commercialisti" without any practical time as the internships at ESE were already recognised for that. When I described these information to the President of "Ordine dei Commercialisti" of Lombardy, a friend of my father, he told me that this was absolutely FALSE;
- When I went to the Lucca Campus (twice) it was always desert;
- The entry test took part in a classroom alone. I could have copied everything!
- While I was at the test, my parents went around and took information. The general attitude was: strange institution. They even went to the Padri Cavanis Gymnasium, next to Ese Villa Le Pianore. The Dean of the gymnasium and the college was rude with my parents. Strange for two private institutions one next door to the other.....please note that the Villa belonged to the Cavanis Priests, that the Campus is not the ESE Campus but simply the park of their College. Now ESE is no more there....
My parents suggested me in looking for more precise information and I did:
the Italian Education Ministery clearly stated that degrees were not recognised. Since you say that I give general information, I can tell you that I wrote to Mrs Teresa Cuomo. Everybody can check who is this lady on www.miur.it. Surely Sabrina can say that this Lady is the "sister of a cousin of a person that hates ESE...too strange, too non academic!"
After that, I discovered many other things, such as banruptcy, information about students, about teachers etc etc. Please note that some of these aspects came well before the TV Emission....
For me It was a real shock and I can assure you that it was not easy to find another university "for my dreams". I then found it. It was a private University in Milan, one of the most prestigious of Italy. I don't say the name while Sabrina could say that I work for this organisation.....I don't work for them. I ended the University some years ago. I now work for one of the most prestigious company (in its field)worldwide, even If I did not study at ESE.
Ah, other things:
- a University or College has a faculty, campuses, rooms, libraries etc etc. I would be pleased to have a full list of your teaching staff. Are they part of a Faculty or are they paid on contract basis? I would like to have a look to your campuses and how they are organised.
- It 's strange that in the last 5 years all your existing Italian campuses have changed location at least once. Where is the traditio of your school?
- It seems strange that the ESE London has the same location of the Bottaccio London , a catering and even location. Are you a college or what?
- It seems strange that the website www.ese.edu, regarding the college in New York, is under construction since months...What a great service for your students!
- It seems strange that the Lucca Campus is no more in Capezzano. Nice surprise for the students!
- And yes, it seems strange that two brothers run a University. A University, even if not public, has specific rules linked the "knowledge world". It is not a simple company (moreover bankrupt)
- It seems strange that you describe your dean as a "Gold sociologist". It's strange: never found his curriculum somewhere or his books somewhere except at ESE.
My life is note miserable. I am happy in what I do.
I simply want to inform every perspective student about my personal experience at ESE. Perhaps they will love it but they have to know that it's not gold. For me it was a horrible experience and I won't suggest it to my worst ennemy!
I say again: there are many excellent universities in Italy and abroad. Have a look at them:
www.lse.ac.uk
www.essec.fr
or, in Italy,
www.uni-bocconi.it
www.iulm.it
www.luiss.it
Good luck!
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Sabrina
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2008 09:43:06
I'm a student enrolled in year 4, i'm not an anonymous.
i'm happy to study in my college and i've experienced on my skin the results of this education.
i've completed two out of three wonderful internships and i would definitely suggest these studies to my best friend!
you can't be happy. ask your therapist....i've never seen happy and successful people expressing such hangry and resentful feelings on a students' forum.....
i'm curious to know what you do in your life, but writing here!
i'm a student. you know, students are expected by definition to waste a lot of their time carelessly, but you......
if you are so successful, if your university was so excellent and you are a product of this excellence, how comes that you have ended up here wasting your best energies with the mission to orient ese prospective students somewhere else?
according to what you write, you should have finished your studies in 2004/2005....
let me guess...are you unemployed? if you are employed or you run a business you'd better focus on your work ...unless this is your work!
i’d fire an employee who wastes his time by surfing the net and doing nothing, unless doing nothing and writing calumnies about the competitors is one of his job responsibilities.
going back to the topic at hand, the italian ministry of education has been taken to the european court by the ese because a gentle incompetent (in the most optimistic scenario!) lady, named mrs cuomo, has participated to the above mentioned tv show and said that the degrees awarded at ese were fake because there was no validation agreement between ese and nottingham trent uni!!! can you understand this? can you understand the gravity of this statement on behalf of a functionary invested with the office to represent an institutional body that should be super partes? can you understand that now if you call her office, they are due to respond that the degrees awarded at ese by the university of buckingham are eligible to the equipollenza in italy as whatever foreign degree?
no you can't understand…. it's part of your job responsibilities not to understand!
last year i did a research with my colleagues in london based on this specific case study to demonstrate the power of media when they collude with groups of power...i had therefore the opportunity to watch several times this videotape and every time i feel so uncomfortable and uneasy to be italian.
i'm not simply proud to study in this college...i'm happy and i've touched with my hands the benefits of this international education.
i know for sure that my degree is recognised worldwide by employers recruiting graduates, this is a fact..i''m not here to give information (or i would say subjective, misleading and false information as you are doing), i'm here to provide facts.
fact nr1: uk ba hons are the most recognised degrees in the world
fact nr2: all over the world (even in italy) most of the work force is employed in the private sector.
fact nr3: worldwide organizations and institutions (public, private, profit, non-profit, etc) accept applicants with uk degrees
fact n4: here in italy my (coming) degree is eligible to equipollenza as whatever foreign degree
fact nr5: holder of foreign degrees embark in this procedure (equipollenza) only and only if they want to have access to public competitions, as in italy there are a few careers in the public sector to which you have access through the so called pubblici concorsi.
fact nr6: i don’t know understand to what extent i should consider your writing deliberately misleading or your english poor when you write “public assignation of jobs in italian institutions”. it means nothing.
fact nr7: private universities and colleges are by definition run by privates and have a for-profit educational mission. "mission without margin is the definition of a hobby." dear naïve happy luke. education is one of the most consistent
fact nr8: you are talking and writing of something you don’t know. you don’t know what ese is nowadays, you don’t anything about our talented and committed professors, you don’t know anything about our libraries, you know nothing about my school. you are the past.
your arrogant and resentful attitude make me think of a poor guy with no mission and goals. the typical product of some italian institutions.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 21 Feb 2008 19:50:55
Dear Sabrina,
I am on holiday and I found this forum only on curiosity. I wanted to know the Ese situation after almost 10 years. I am not unemployed. I don't work for an Instruction Institute. I am simply on holiday.
I think that most of the things I have written are true or, at least, they were in 1999. Perhaps Ese has changed. But I can assure you that I was interested and loved the project. My test was at the beginning of year 1999. I have written this things because my shock about Ese was terrible. I thought to Ese everyday...
The biggest problem for me was that they did not inform us that their degrees were not valid. They could have been honest and I would probably enroll with them. I was not interested in "public assignation of jobs in italian institutions = pubblici concorsi". Luckily I found my University, of which I am proud! For your information, I ended my university period in november 2003, with 110/110 and honours.
Time is the most preciuous thing that a young student has. I hope everybody can use it in the best way.
Luke
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Sabrina
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# Posted: 22 Feb 2008 06:11:37
This could be your problem, luke.
you have been thinking of ese everyday...and now you want to convince me that i'm in the wrong place, just because you have not yet found a place where you belong! wake up!
nobody can wake you up! only you can wake yourself up!!
wake up from your resentment, your dissatisfaction, your grudge...there are many other brilliant things you can do in your life rather than wasting your time pretending to be once an applicant, then a withdrawal or a former graduate...you are losing your identity..in the meantime you have grown older with no goals.
what i can see is that you are concentrated on the past, only you know why!
why i should care that they told you that the "degrees were valid", if in-fact they have always been valid worldwide as uk degrees and now even in italy, according to the binding principles of the eu union.
why you still care about what they told you, if you have chosen another path and you are happy and successful?
are you happy and successful?
to me it seems that you are kind of weird and confused person who wants to transmit to the others the bacteria of his confusion, unhappiness and resentment. life is really dark when you are not the only one to believe it, isn't it!
you say that you were not interested to attend a pubblico concorso. right? so...why the equipollenza was an issue for you?
if you are employed now, did they hire you because your degree is valid in italy, meaning legally acceptable in italy?
focus on your present, luke. time is the most precious thing that everybody has, therefore use yours better.
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Jorge
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# Posted: 25 Feb 2008 10:29:04
HI to everybody,
I´m a spanish student who is going to become member of Marketing programme in milan next April, I´ve already paid the Registration Fee, so it means that I will go for sure and suddenly today I have discovered this Forum.
I can´t say that now I´m not scared about ESE after everything I have read. But the main point in which I would like to know more is about the internships. Does anyone can tell me about an internship experience after finishing ESE Marketing Programme in Milan? Because I have talked frequently with the Staff and they´ve assured me.
Now I´m living in Paris and I have met a lot of italian people. I asked them about ESE and some of them know it but they couldnt give me really deep information.
I studied my degree in Business Administration in Spain. I think moving to Milan I have the opportunity to learn more about Marketing, also the possibility to learn another language (Italian) and at the same time to improve my english skills related to Marketing.
I would like to know the opinion of somebody who have studied the Marketing Program in Milan.They have told me that will start 5 May, that I can do a voluntary course (Marketing Integrated Communication, Event management, Luxury goods management) (without fee charge) since 2nd April to 5 May. How are this courses?how are the teachers?and what about the internships after the marketing programme?
Thank you very much to everybody.
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luke
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# Posted: 28 Feb 2008 06:18:43
Dear Sabrina,
people scream and are arrogant when they have no answers.
Perhaps I'm wrong but you don't give objective answers.
Bye
Luke
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Sabrina
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# Posted: 29 Feb 2008 09:03:22
He's a real nowhere man,
Sitting in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
For nobody.
Doesn't kave a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Nowhere Luke, please listen,
You don't know what you're missing,
the world is at your command!
You are as blind as you can be,
You just see what you want to see,
Nowhere Luke, don't be afraid to cry for help!
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Patrik
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2008 13:06:43
Luke, I can relate to everything you say.
ESE is still the same, a total mess. I went to Rome to study international business in 2006, was swept away by their big talk about these fantastic internships, individual revolution and so on. I, and many other students (and teachers!) left ese after the first year, a horrible year. They have a great marketing machine and everything seems perfect from the outside, but once you get there you can see what they are really about.
I could write a book about ese but here are just a number of things I would like you to know (based on my experience from rome campus and numerous discussions wiyth teachers and other students) before applying to ese:
*In recent years ese in rome has changed location of campus several times.
When i was there, ese was at piazza del popolo (now parioli, close to via veneto), in 2004 ese campus was at Barberini.
*At piazza del popolo, we shared building with other companies, it was not a university campus, our classrooms was just a couple of business conference rooms, one big room others really small. We had no library, no computers, no place for self studies.
*Teachers work under contract as Luke says and are often just proffessionals that teach without an academic background as a teacher! And these teacher often only last 1 year beacuse ese many times "forget" to pay them their salaries. Or they quit beacuse the school is just horrible.
*The organisation is a joke, we were always wondering where the hell they found these people that work in the "didactic office". Change of schedule all the time, no available classroom etc.
*Internship! Many students ended up finding for themselves, their contacts are not as good as they would like you to believe. Funny story, one student requested an internship in London, and in a meeting with the staff, the staff started to google for it!!=)
*If you complain about things, or give constructive criticism, the "friendly staff" is not so friendly anymore.
*One thing that was strange, noone seems to know that the school exists...
Well thats enough for now, anyway its sad beacuse i really belive that the concept of ese is great, if they would execute what they promise, this would be a perfect school but as it is now... its just terrible.
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